Hey all, I've been reading some threads on the TOR boards and also popping through different products from Amazon, but I'd like some opinions of people that are of similar mindset to me.. AKA all of you.
I have been looking into getting a new mouse specifically for gaming, with all the extra buttons and such, and would like some personal recommendations. :ime
If it's for MMO gaming then you'll find the highly specialized Razer Naga which comes in Naga, Molten, and Epic forms and they'll be making one of the same specifically for SWtOR with the same functionality as the Epic. http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/DisplayCategoryProductListPage/categoryID.37466100 and http://www.razerzone.com/swtor/mouse
Do you have personal experience with Razer products? I've only ever used logitech, so I can't even assume.
I am using the Razor Naga right now. It is amazing. Although, it is true when it says it will take 10-15hrs of gameplay to get used to if you have never used a mouse with buttons on the side before. I like it though. I would never go back to a 2 button mouse now that I have the Naga.
My big issue with the Naga, those buttons look awful small on the side.. I have big manly man thumbs, is this an issue?
I, myself, have a Razer Deathadder and I'm used to using only 2 side buttons. Can't say anything about the Naga but the side-buttons do look a bit small.
I was looking at the Deathadder as well, looks like a good starter gaming mouse, nice reviews too.
It's a pretty good mouse but it is at the low end of the gaming spectrum. I doubt I'll change it for a while because I'm going to be getting the SWtOR gaming keyboard for MMO uses.
I'm curious when they're actually going to start selling the Swtor based products. Seems kind of strange to wait until after release to start selling them.
I'm sure they'll be plugged out at or close to the release date, they look really badass though.
Quote from: Rhaeton on November 06, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
I'm sure they'll be plugged out at or close to the release date, they look really badass though.
Agreed, now I just have to justify paying that much money for this gaming gear :-\ In the end I just don't think I can spend that much on a mouse. Perhaps I will have to hit some people up for a fancy mouse christmas gift :p
I'm confused by the keyboard.
If you have that, you don't need a mouse, right?
Because it has a touch pad right there.
But how do you move, with the touch pad, and use the hot keys above it at the same time?
Quote from: Ryland on November 06, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
I'm confused by the keyboard.
If you have that, you don't need a mouse, right?
Because it has a touch pad right there.
But how do you move, with the touch pad, and use the hot keys above it at the same time?
Exactly. Gaming mouse is better. I find the buttons on the side of the Razor Naga to be of decent size. You just need to acclimatize yourself with how they are spaced so your thumb can go to the one you want automatically. I again stress it does indeed take 10-15hrs of gameplay to get used to a Naga. But after you will never go back.
I use the Razer Naga. Love the side buttons, although I really only use 1-3 with any regularity.
My older son has one of these:
http://cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm (http://cyborggaming.com/prod/rat9.htm) but he does a lot of FPS stuff, and it's got a lot of adjustments (including weight) that are great for sniping.
For SWTOR, I think the Razer Naga is just about perfect.
Am I just too old to get it? What is the purpose of the twelve buttons on the side of the mouse? What benefit do I get from those as opposed to my keyboard?
Quote from: Alirrin on November 07, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
Am I just too old to get it? What is the purpose of the twelve buttons on the side of the mouse? What benefit do I get from those as opposed to my keyboard?
They represent 1,2,3...0,-,=
So you can keep your left hand on WASD for movement and your right hand on hour mouse and not have to move your left hand from your movement keys to the number keys to activate abilities OR click on them which hinders your movement as well. With a Naga you can move normally and activate all 12 buttons [24 if you set it up for ALT keys].
Quote from: Alirrin on November 07, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
Am I just too old to get it? What is the purpose of the twelve buttons on the side of the mouse? What benefit do I get from those as opposed to my keyboard?
And that RAT9 looks like it would do the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. ???
I don't PvP often, but when I do... I get killed a lot because I don't stay in constant motion. I've gotta learn to keep those fingers on WASD, so I'm always moving/strafing. Then mouselook and activate powers with the right hand.
I don't think I have the manual dexterity to pull off 12 thumb-buttons very well.
As someone who used to ride a motorcycle, I think I need foot pedals! Sorta like a piano. Give me three pedals for each foot to represent 1-6, make mousebutton 4 the alt key (for "alt 1-6" with my feet), make mousebutton 5 ctrl key (fot "ctrl 1-6" with my feet).
After some practice, I might be able to "pwn a noob" with that setup!
Oh... who am I kidding. I'll be over here harvesting for seven straight hours... call me when the PvP is over. ;D
Quote from: Askari on November 07, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
Oh... who am I kidding. I'll be over here harvesting for seven straight hours... call me when the PvP is over. ;D
Just don't ninja my node while I'm fighting the mob off! I'll go all Defiant on your ass! ;-)
You see a node. :---
You engage the mob near the node. :mf_swordfight:
You turn around to mine the node, :bdg
but alas there is no longer any node, :o
because, utilizing a terrain exploit to mine the node from inside the ground a level 4 gold farmer has already taken it. :'(
[grumble]
I just got a Naga Razor a few weeks ago. Tonight I have been test driving it in an mmo setting for the first time.
If you can become semi-dextrous at thumb typing on a smart phone, then you can work the buttons on the Naga Razor. I have fairly wide thumbs and I seem to be clicking the buttons fairly well thus far.
Quote from: Alirrin on November 07, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
Am I just too old to get it? What is the purpose of the twelve buttons on the side of the mouse? What benefit do I get from those as opposed to my keyboard?
I'm weird (newsflash!).
Granted I usually only adopt one gaming hobby at a time, but I use the keyboard almost exclusively--only mouse to zoom or where the UI demands it. I keep my right hand on my cursor keys and never use WASD. I use my left hand for hotkeys, and sometimes I criss-cross and exchange hands when I'm feeling dexterous. I don't regularly use voice chat, and no, I don't need to recruit the assistance of my toes for typing in chat
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I also do it both ways uphill in the snow while chasing the neighbors' kids off of my lawn.
And the only part I fabricated is the bit about snow because down here, no is really sure what snow looks like. Or for that matter rain.
:tickedoff: --<Hey you woodchucks! Stop chuckin' my wood!>
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(Yes, this sentence is a clever reference to one of Anaris's suitors for any EQ2'ers from AB who remember)
Quote from: Jasyn on November 07, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Granted I usually only adopt one gaming hobby at a time, but I use the keyboard almost exclusively--only mouse to zoom or where the UI demands it. I keep my right hand on my cursor keys and never use WASD. I use my left hand for hotkeys, and sometimes I criss-cross and exchange hands when I'm feeling dexterous. I don't regularly use voice chat, and no, I don't need to recruit the assistance of my toes for typing in chat
I used to play this way in EQ, mainly because nearly all my targeting was done with function keys (to select party members) and assist macros (much more precise that way for heavily tactical encounters) and abilities were hotkeyed. I now use my mouse to target quite a bit. I am trying to resist the bad habit of tab targeting that I got into in Rift. As Vilidius can attest (he's seen my all-over-the-place targeting style), I haven't quite figured out what the most efficient way will be to target in SWTOR.
As for the buttons on the side of the Naga, the way I had them set up in Rift was to have all my offensive abilities on hotkeys, and all my heals on the naga side buttons. Infrequently used things like my mount and such I had keyed to the less-accessible naga buttons.
I am the occasional user of this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-RZ01-00490100-R3M1-Nostromo-Expert-Keypad/dp/B004G8QHFO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1320755279&sr=8-6
Hugely configurable and looks cool in the dark ;)
I got a Logitech G110 gaming keyboard this summer, and I think I programmed maybe two macros, and have barely used them. I tab-target when soloing or being main DPS, and F-key target when healing. I use a combo of mouse + WASD for movement, because I mouse-look and strafe a lot while roaming the countryside. My main abilities are on my number key row, in banks so I can shift between them with Shift+#, and secondary ones are on buttons I can mouse clock as needed. I just haven't found a need for all these extra keys the specialized hardware give you.
Damn kids. :viking2:
I also bought a Logitech gaming keyboard and switched back to my stock HP keyboard. I find my Razor Naga to be far more useful than a gaming keyboard. I also have a G13 gaming pad. I might use that more once TOR comes out but really the must useful thing I have is the mouse so I can press my abilities while remaining fully mobile.
I remember you used to use a trackball way back in the day, too, Oakmist. The Nostromo keypad looks pretty cool. I had a pad that was a circle (maybe a G-15), but since I don't even use the programmable banks on my gaming keyboard, the additional pad just gathered dust. What do you use the side pad for?
Yup, still use a trackball too - wow, guess I've been using the same one for a decade now!
After reading your opinions of the Razer Naga, I decided to opt for the SWtOR mouse instead of the keyboard. It's basically the Naga Epic in a Star Wars skin but it will be glorious!